Diode16 - 9:00 am-30-11-1111 - Questions:

Diode16 (8:40 am 30-11-1111)

Diode16 Q: 週末のオフパーティーは、どのような料理がいいか、皆さんにご意見を出してもらいますか？

Susuchan : Lẩu nấm / cà ri gà はいかがですか？好き場合、私はcà ri gà を作る。。

Diode16 : "/" というのは lẩu nấm もうしくは cà ri gà というのですか？

Susuchan : 他の方は皆の意見を聞いてくれよ

Diode16 : たこ焼き、豚肉焼き...

Wena : I have no idea ^-^

Diode16 : su list danh sách đi, để Đò hôm đó dậy sớm đi chợ trước :D

Momo88 : Đò dảm đang ghia ta, nghe bàn thấy đói bụng wé

Diode16 : :D

Susuchan : tớ sẽ chuẩn bị cà ri gà...và gỏi...bác bận đi dạy rồi để cháu mua đồ ăn cho..bác cứ lên Menu rồi cháu đi chợ !

Dominate - 8:46 am-30-11-1111 - Questions:

Dominate (8:38 am 30-11-1111)

Dominate Q: Jennifer Nicole Lee gives a lesson in how to get her killer curves. R giúp cụm "give a lesson".Thanks in advance.

Mosfet47 : đưa ra 1 lời khuyên

Minhhanhe87 : tớ hỏi câu ni khí không phải, chứ "get her killer curves" bạn dịch mần răng? Thanks :D

Whackamolee : ạc cứ tưởng hỏi khúc khó "killer curves" :-) Chỉ dẫn/dạy

Senselesshunter : đường cong chết người

Yukan : killer curves = ~ đường cong gợi cảm à =))

Whackamolee : chỉ cách để có được thân hình chết người (giống của cô í)

Mosfet47 : trong đua xe hả =]]

Dominate : mình cũng dịch lời khuyên nhưng không thấy chưa chuẩn nên nhờ các bạn góp ý thêm.

Minhhanhe87 : té ra là đường cong chết người. Mới nhìn đã chết, hẻm bít sờ vào thì ra răng nữa. Hẻm dám nghĩ tiếp :-ss. Thanks all

THANH NGUYEN - 8:06 am-30-11-1111 - Questions:

THANH NGUYEN (7:54 am 30-11-1111)

THANH NGUYEN Q: từ"bảng tên"(của nhân viên đeo trên áo)tiếng Anh gọi là gì các bạn.xin cám ơn

Kimberlydo : name tag?

Smalldracula : employee ID card / name care

NASG : name tag đúng rồi mà Kim, question mark gì nữa? ^^ ~nasg~

Smalldracula : Name tag thường dùng trong treo nhãn hàng hóa thôi -mcr-

Kimberlydo : hi there! i was just not sure. there might be other ways to call it? :)

Whackamolee : employee badge

NASG : let me see your badge thấy giống CSI quá anh W. ơi ^^ ~nasg~

Smalldracula : Anh nói nghe nè :Employee ID card = thẻ nhân viên có tên và số/ Name card = bảng tên đeo,thích cái gì thì xài thôi..-mcr-

NASG : Name tag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_tag - Dịch trang này A name tag is a badge or sticker worn on the outermost clothing as a means of displaying the wearer's name for others to view. ~nasg~

Huyle - 6:29 am-30-11-1111 - Questions:

Huyle (6:03 am 30-11-1111)

Huyle Q: dịch là diễn cái ý của tác giả thành văn trong ngôn ngữ của mình. Vì vậy, mình cần hiểu chính xác cả hai ngôn ngữ. TV dựa vào tiếng Hán rất nhiều. Cho nên, muốn hiểu TV cần phải hiểu HV.

Huyle : vì bạn 0 hiển HV (V) nên khi bạn dịch bạn phải "chế" ra. Nếu bạn hiểu TV chính xác, bạn 0 cần phải chế. Dịch là art, nhưng mọi art đều có convention và rule. Tỉ dụ về phối cảnh: vừa là art, vừa là enginêering

Huyle : vẽ tranh tĩnh vật cũng vậy: có rule của nó. Thơ đường, lục bát, song thất LB cũng vậy, có rule hết. chỉ có ngôn ngữ của con nít mới 0 có rule mà thôi.

Huyle : nếu bạn được sinh đẻ trong 1 nưóc nói TA, thì giỏi TA là chuyện đương nhiên. Nhưng nếu bạn tự nhận mình là người V, mà 0 hiểu HV thì đây là một sự sỉ nhục (shame) cho bạn.

Huyle : vì vậy, muốn dịch A-V và V-A, bạn cần hiểu tiếng mẹ đẻ của mình trước. Cần hiểu Hán Việt, vì phần lớn TV từ HV mà ra.

Whackamolee : Anh hấp thụ gì ở đó mà anh có vẻ thích thú sử dụng forum làm nơi nhạo báng đả kích cá nhân thế? Tôi tham gia khá nhiều diễn đàn, chưa hề thấy thái độ này như thấy ở anh. Tôi là người Việt, tiếng Việt tôi có tệ thì đó là bất hạnh của tôi, tôi phải chăn trâu

Huyle : Hừm, tôi 0 nghĩ tôi đã kích cá nhân. tôi chỉ nhận xét T HV của bạn tệ, thành ra khi bạn dịch bạn phải chế ra, làm sai ý tác giả.

Whackamolee : Chẳng có gì để phải "shame" ở đây cả khi tôi góp ý được gì tôi mạnh dạn góp ý. Shame là hành xử thiếu tế nhị, thiếu phong cách (tiếng Anh là class), xem thiếu xót người khác là điểm để chế nhạo. Vâng, tôi người Việt, tiếng Anh là unashamedly Vietnamese

Huyle : hừm, tôi 0 nghĩ tôi đả kích cá nhân. tôi chỉ nhận xét là TV của bạn tệ vì bạn 0 hiểu HV, nên khi dịch bạn phải chế ra nhiều làm sai ý tác giả.

Huyle : vấn đề là nếu bạn làm bạn sai thì 0 sao, nhưng bạn propagate cái liberalism của bạn ra cho người khác thì quả thật tai hại cho các học sinh vô tội.

Whackamolee - 6:00 am-30-11-1111 - Questions:

Whackamolee (4:30 am 30-11-1111)

Whackamolee Q: @Huy if you can keep the discussion on ideas, then we can continue. I want to make something abundantly clear. I do not condemn the use of dictionaries. After all I use it. I '''do''' encourage everyone to trust in their judgment and make translations meaningful for the readers

Whackamolee : I don't think jumping through hoops, distort and contort the translations to fit the English constructs into at times unnatural Vietnamese constructs is a good thing. I believe we ought to be proud of our language, and serve us first and foremost.

Whackamolee : Years ago, Mr. Phan Nhật Nam made the same observation in "Dấu Binh Lửa" which I find to be true and biting, "a mark of shame when we throw away our self-determination, politically and now linguistically" (his words). It is simply a view to which I prescribe

Whackamolee : I don't believe in telling the youngsters here that there is "a correct translation" somewhere out there. I don't think that is such a terrible thing to advocate -- That you are free to think, and within your rights to be right or wrong, and through that be better

Whackamolee : A beautiful Vietnamese sentence conveying faithfully ideas by the writer is, to me, always much more valuable than one faithful to a foreign structure that is contorted and painful when read in Vietnamese. Simple as that.

Huyle : There is correct and incorrect translation. for example: spirit = linh hồn, not tâm thần. regardless, most "incorrect translation" in this forum results from pơor Vietnamese skill. Lots of people don't understand the words his/her mother spoke.

Whackamolee : You see things more clear-cut in black and white. I see things more gray. Spirit will depend on context - tinh thần, linh hồn, tâm linh. Even tâm thần is OK with "He went crazy because of the spiritual dismemberment he endured with the loss of his wife"

Whackamolee : Ông ta phát khùng vì bải hoải tâm linh hay tâm thần vỡ vụn khi vợ ông ấy mất? My take is that the translator will decide, and I will defer and respect that decision. Debates, sure? But the final choice is for that translator to make.

Whackamolee : Translation is an art, not a science. In arts, one is free to make choices, and it is essential that one does so and be encouraged to do so. Therein lies the richness of humanity. True artists exercise talents with proper courage & discretion. Hallelujah!

PigPoker : Hallelujah indeed. Ngủ chút đi bác :)

Whackamolee - 4:13 am-30-11-1111 - Questions:

Whackamolee (3:06 am 30-11-1111)

Whackamolee Q: @Huy In cultures I know, we don't speak to people we don't khow well with "Got it?", especially in debates. You are invited to talk linguistic law "someone who holds shares of stock in a corporation" and get "joint house purchaser" inducted.

Whackamolee : I really don't know why it is so hard for you to confer wordnik.com and see that it is the exact synonym for shareholder. Even I don't argue with that definition, and you know how I hate the rigidity of dictionaries :-)

Whackamolee : Recap: shareowner is same as shareholder; share owner is a different animal altogether. You may think differently, and that is fine, too. No harm done.

Huyle : sorry, I've bêen in a mêeting. I think you try to prove me wrong. Please lơok at the thread. Someone asked what shareowner was. I replied = ppl who buy a house together. someone else said I was wrong. You later said I was wrong tơo. I am not wrong sine these 2 words are synomyms. If you owe something with someone, you are shareowner

Huyle : but stock owners are called shareholders, while people who own a house are called shareowners. we đon;t call house owners shareholders.

Huyle : @Whack: if you find "got it" offensive, I apologize, but "got it" does not mean "idiot". If someone does not understand something, he might be biased. I think you are intelligence but "blind" because of your arrogance as someone said about you before.

Huyle : in other words, shareholder is a special case of shareowner. you can use shareower for any case in which you own a piece of property. but for housing, I don't use 'shareholder" to call my housemate who bought the house with me.

Huyle : if you admit shareholder and shareowner are synomyms then I think I am vindicated. Both you and the other persons proclaimed I was wrong. Are you still here?

Whackamolee : Just got back to the desk, anh. 1. You should recheck the initial comment I made. It was quite simple, and I am surprised at your insistent reaction 2. "Someone said" has never mattered that much to me, and I doubt it does to you either.

Huyle : well, I play a defensive role here, just try to prove I am NOT wrong. I think you have bêen trying to me wrong.

Whackamolee - 4:09 am-30-11-1111 - Questions:

Whackamolee (3:06 am 30-11-1111)

Whackamolee Q: @Huy In cultures I know, we don't speak to people we don't khow well with "Got it?", especially in debates. You are invited to talk linguistic law "someone who holds shares of stock in a corporation" and get "joint house purchaser" inducted.

Whackamolee : I really don't know why it is so hard for you to confer wordnik.com and see that it is the exact synonym for shareholder. Even I don't argue with that definition, and you know how I hate the rigidity of dictionaries :-)

Whackamolee : Recap: shareowner is same as shareholder; share owner is a different animal altogether. You may think differently, and that is fine, too. No harm done.

Huyle : sorry, I've bêen in a mêeting. I think you try to prove me wrong. Please lơok at the thread. Someone asked what shareowner was. I replied = ppl who buy a house together. someone else said I was wrong. You later said I was wrong tơo. I am not wrong sine these 2 words are synomyms. If you owe something with someone, you are shareowner

Huyle : but stock owners are called shareholders, while people who own a house are called shareowners. we đon;t call house owners shareholders.

Huyle : @Whack: if you find "got it" offensive, I apologize, but "got it" does not mean "idiot". If someone does not understand something, he might be biased. I think you are intelligence but "blind" because of your arrogance as someone said about you before.

Huyle : sorry: intelligent.

Huyle : in other words, shareholder is a special case of shareowner. you can use shareower for any case in which you own a piece of property. but for housing, I don't use 'shareholder" to call my housemate who bought the house with me.

Huyle : if you admit shareholder and shareowner are synomyms then I think I am vindicated. Both you and the other persons proclaimed I was wrong. Are you still here?

Whackamolee : Just got back to the desk, anh. 1. You should recheck the initial comment I made. It was quite simple, and I am surprised at your insistent reaction 2. "Someone said" has never mattered that much to me, and I doubt it does to you either.